#138: Beyond the Assessment: How Phil Johnson & E4E Delivers Full-Cycle Energy Projects

Written By Gary Ricke

A clip from my discussion with Phil Johnston:

That's a tough question. I want to understand how you interview for that. Many people are listening and thinking, "Yes, of course, everyone wants someone who can learn," but how do you assess that? How do you identify that quality in someone?

I think an eagerness comes through when you ask probing questions or challenge them on specific examples of what they've done in the past. That passion for learning usually emerges in those conversational interviews. So, I would recommend moving away from the rubric at times and having more organic conversations to see that passion for learning.

It extends beyond the workplace, too. If they have passion projects that they're working on, which aren't necessarily related to their job, that usually indicates a passion for learning and a willingness to grow.

Another Clip from my discussion with Phil Johnston

If you could, walk us through what a traditional energy efficiency opportunity was like 10 to 12 years ago. What were those conversations like when you were starting in your career, and what are they like today? How would you compare and contrast the opportunities you're seeing in these industrial facilities?

Well, I think there's still significant opportunity in optimizing existing plants—your chiller, compressed air, and centralized plant systems. We still do a lot of that work today, and it's more or less the same as it was before. However, I would say what's really emerged and grown as a vertical are projects that didn't exist when I first started in this field: heat recovery, decarbonization, and reduction of Scope 1 emissions are now receiving significant attention. Using the heat provided by your gas-fired processes is even more critical because it directly lowers Scope 1 emissions.

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